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What I think is becoming clearer to me (i think i was confused in the past) is that we need to make a distinction between respiration manipulation vs respiration training:
Respiration manipulation - use of respiratory system to cause some target physiological change - for example a shift in the dissociation curve to play with the bio availability of 02 etc. Respiration training - actually training the respiratory muscles, technique, endurance, strength etc. So for example, a drop in Sm02 as a result of shifting the dissociation curve might demonstrate a but not necessarily respiration manipulation, ? respiratory training Now my questions are: There has been a lot of discussion on respiration recently so i am sure other forum members will have questions too. We have the live indicators (Sm02, tHb on a priority or non-priority muscle, HR) to see when a respiratory manipulation is successful. What live indicators do we have available to tell whether respiratory training is effective? For example, i seem to recall mention of Jiri putting Moxy on intercostal muscles - how is this done practically? What else could we use/see? Is there any overlap between respiratory manipulation and respiratory training? In other words when respiratory manipulations are performed does this most likely provide any respiratory training benefit as well or is it coincidental or even possibly detrimental? Can somebody refer me to a resource (book/website etc) that provides the principles for respiratory training (I'm not asking on the forum for training advice to be discussed just a referral to a credible resource.
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Respiration manipulation - use of respiratory system to cause some target physiological change - for example a shift in the dissociation curve to play with the bio availability of 02 etc. Respiration training - actually training the respiratory muscles, technique, endurance, strength etc. You got it and this is not just for respiration, this is for cardiac workouts for coordination workout s for strength and mental and all we can do. Here a few simple example. Yo do a simple biceps curl with your arm in neutral zero position, so arm besides your body and you just move only in the elbow and you have a supination in your forearm for the biceps curl. Your peak weight you can lift from the elbow 0 to elbow 120 flexion is 50 kg. Now in your activity you need 50 kg to be ale to do the motion you have to do. So not a lot of options than go all out. So the weight will force you to work in peak performance and you have no chance to really manipulate anything. Now due to the change in angel and leverage in the 0 - 120 degree m ROM you have section where you could lift more weight, but as you have to go through the full range the choice is not there as the weight is given. Now you can " manipulate" the workout by simply not going to a full extension and now you can lift more weight so you can challenge the biceps in angels , where 50 kg is not enough of a challenge. You not just can do that you can change your shoulder angle position to integrate the long biceps head into the workout and you can go in a neutral forearm position to add for example the brachioradialis and so on. So you ca make a decision to manipulate or you can make an effort to try to gain more strength over the full range. Again it is all about what is your goal and do you need the full range in your activity or not. Now in respiration. If you see in an assessment or in a workout that at a certain intensity you create a respiratory limitation (not a metaboreflex) you reached a limitation and you as well loose control as the limiter will dictate now your performance and not you. So at that limitation you may have a VE of 100 l/min a TV of 2.5 liter and therefor a RF of 40. So you can imagine if you would have the ability to move for example 150 l/min. You cud now manipulate the reaction in this workout. By VE 100 l/min you will see a tHb increase (CO2   up and a delayed recovery of SmO2 . Add on: delayed recovery will than change the interval you may have done. Now if you have 150 VE. you can if you like create the forced 100 l/ min workout if that is your goal , but you as well can avoid it and stimulate some other ideas. So respiratory training allows you to open up much more options for targeted physiological simulations. Now as better your respiration is trained as more additional options you can add with increase of loads for example. If you are not very well trained than you have to reduce the loads, so you have a chance to manipulate. Another practical example fore cycling for example. If you are in an aero position , you may reduce, due to the position your TV, but you may increase RF by the same load. Now you may create a respiratory limitation. and you have no choice due to the position. If you go out of the aero position you may now increase your TV and therefor by the same wattage you now do not have a respiratory limitation and you can push and may create a local muscular limitation. So the position can decide whether you are aware what you may like to stimulate by the same wattage. Summary : Respiration is a big system and you can easy train it on its own or integrate in your activity. Well at the end of the day this is the goal that you can integrate respiration into your sport and use it to play some much more different sounds during workouts. Remember a workout should be inefficiency, where as a race should be super efficient. (As usual ,exceptions you like to train efficiency sometimes as well ) I will show on another thread the idea son cardiac manipulation.